This week’s podcast topic is trauma bonding  and shame. My guest, Dr. Nadine Macaluso, has an incredible story to share. Nadine Macaluso is a licensed marriage and family therapist in private practice. Her personal and clinical expertise is in attachment trauma, shame, and relationships. Dr. Nae is also the ex-wife to the infamous Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort, with whom she shares two children. So yeah, she knows a thing or two about love-bombing and trauma bonds. While openly sharing her story, she also gets underneath how trauma bonding happens to the best of us.

Show Highlights

  • The relationship between attachment trauma and shame. (4:11)
  • We’re not responsible for what was done to us as vulnerable children, yet as adults, it is our responsibility to do what we can to begin to heal. (7:23)
  • A clear and concise definition of a trauma bond. (8:25)
  • Nadine shares her experience with love-bombing and trauma bonds with her famed ex-husband “Wolf of Wall Street,” Jordan Belfort (9:44)
  • The design of love bombing is to keep you completely off balance – it is a destabilization technique. (12:04)
  • “My ex-husband took all of my beautiful qualities of loyalty, compassion, trustworthiness, belief in relationships, empathy, and used them against me.” (18:13)
  • Trust your inner voice. Don’t drive past the red flags. (27:14)
  • Healing from attachment trauma; and practicing self-compassion. (29:45)
  • “For some reason I had children with this man.  I have to honor that. And take care of their souls first.” (34:24)
  • Honoring your truth and also acknowledging that your ex can still be a good co-parent. (37:23)

Learn More About Dr. Nae:

Nadine Macaluso is a licensed marriage and family therapist in private practice. She received her master’s in Counseling Psychology and doctorate in Depth Psychology with an emphasis on Somatic Psychotherapy from Pacifica Graduate Institute in California. Her personal and clinical expertise is in attachment trauma, shame, and relationships. Dr. Nae is also the ex-wife to the infamous Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort, with whom she shares two beautiful children, Carter and Chandler. Nadine has been happily remarried for 20 years; she and her husband John share a blended family of five children and two dogs, splitting their time between New York and Florida. When she’s not working with patients or writing about trauma, Nadine spends her time reading, researching, listening to podcasts, going for walks and connecting with her loved ones.

Resources & Links:

No More Trauma Bonding: A Therapist’s Guide to Healing from Traumatic Love
Dr. Nae on Facebook
Dr. Nae on Instagram
Dr. Nae on Twitter
Dr. Nae on YouTube
Women Who Love Psychopaths: Inside the Relationships of inevitable Harm With Psychopaths, Sociopaths & Narcissists, Sandra L. Brown
Donate to the Thrive Fund
Should I Stay or Should I Go (Kate’s Program)


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