I’m thrilled to welcome back two women I absolutely adore:Tamara Frankfort Odinec and Shari Joseph, the powerhouse duo behind My Next Chapter, an expert-led platform and community that supports people at every stage of divorce.

When they first joined me, the platform was just getting started. Now, they’ve built something extraordinary: a vibrant, growing community with nearly a thousand members, expert guidance across legal, financial, and emotional topics, and a new premium option designed to help you move from uncertainty to clarity.

We dig deeper into what’s new with My Next Chapter and how it’s evolving into a go-to resource for anyone contemplating divorce, navigating the thick of it, or rebuilding life afterward.

✨ If you’d like to watch the video version of this episode, you can find it here.

What you’ll hear about in this episode:

• How My Next Chapter has grown into a thriving expert-led community supporting people at every stage of divorce from “divorce curious” to rebuilding with confidence (2:30)
• Shari’s firsthand insights on navigating a high-conflict divorce and how creating My Next Chapter has helped her heal in real time (15:36)
• The power of community and shared stories in breaking isolation, finding validation, and designing life intentionally after divorce.(18:53)

Learn more about Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Tamara Frankfort Odinec has spent the past 25 years at the forefront of technology and marketing in various leadership roles, most recently as the founder of My Next Chapter, an expert-led platform and community for people going through every stage of divorce. Tamara also founded and runs Monty Media, an app development company that creates innovative apps for adults and kids, leveraging new technologies. Prior to this, Tamara led successful entrepreneurial endeavors for brands such as Real Simple Magazine and American Express and served as Chief Marketing Officer of Flywheel Sports. Tamara lives in New York City with her three kids and is happily divorced.

Learn more about Shari Joseph: Shari Joseph is a global brand marketing leader with extensive experience in digital partnerships and social media communications. She is President and co-creator of My Next Chapter, an innovative content and community platform offering resources and support for every stage of divorce. Shari is also the founder and CEO of Smart Digital, LLC, a brand marketing and communications consultancy supporting clients across PR, social media, influencer marketing, and creative campaigns that build online presences and drive engagement. Before starting her consultancy, Shari was VP, Global Digital Partnerships at American Express. She drove the company’s global digital strategies, starting with the very first tweet from @americanexpress. Shari lives in the NYC area and recently started her next chapter as a single mom of two. 

Resources & Links:

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Show transcript:

Kate Anthony: [00:00:00] Hey everyone. Welcome back. I am very excited to have with me today two of my friends and colleagues women that I’ve been working on some fun stuff with for a while now. First we have Tamara Frankfort Odenic, and she has spent the last 25 years at the forefront of technology and marketing in various leadership roles.

Kate Anthony: Most recently as the founder of My Next Chapter, which is an expert led platform and community for people going through every stage of divorce. And Shari Joseph is a global brand marketing leader with extensive experience in digital partnerships and social media communications, and she is president and co-creator of My Next Chapter.

Kate Anthony: Welcome to both of you. Thanks, Kate. Thank you. It’s so nice to have you back. Now, you guys were on the show a while ago, a few months ago. Yeah. I guess now talking about [00:01:00] my next chapter. It was in its nascency and we were all trying to work out kinks and to be totally transparent, I’ve been working with you guys in an advisory role, loving every minute of it.

Kate Anthony: Where are things now? Like we were, you were first launching it, right? And there were obviously the beta. Version. And so how has it been and where is it all now?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I can take this. So first, Kate, it’s been so fun to work with you. When we did the podcast initially we were just talking and to be in it a little more extensively, formally, it’s been amazing.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: You’re like, input on emotional resilience and all. Is just so helpful to us. So yeah, we launched in May our platform, which has articles and videos and scripts and templates all expert led as you said. We really focus on all aspects of divorce, legal, finance, mental health, coming at it from a new direction in the space as we talked about then, and.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: We’ve been just blown away by the response. We have now close to a thousand members, founding members women. We [00:02:00] also have about 15% men at every stage of the process. We’ve learned a lot. Going into it, I think our expectation was that the majority of people would be in the thick of it and really needing help with the core of their divorce, and many people are.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: But we’ve also found that a lot of our other members are much earlier in the process and just trying to decide should they stay or go. They want real tactical advice on that. Not just emotional and wellness support, but they want to know what to expect legally and financially and really at that early stage in the journey.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And then of course, we’re also. Many of our members are also in that post divorce life, establishing their identity, figuring out who they’re financially and from a career perspective. It’s allowed us to, and really expand our content to hit all the stages more thoroughly. We’ve also had a lot of interest in finance just given the current climate.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: That’s been a big piece, so we’re leaning in there. Certainly. Shari, what do you wanna add? A little there. 

Shari Joseph: That’s exactly right. The biggest learning is that we found divorce isn’t just one moment. It’s [00:03:00] a long emotional continuum. I’ve still been in the in it phase for a while. My divorce itself is still not finalized, and what we’re finding is people are joining all the time and at all different stages of that journey from, they’re maybe curious to navigating the court system, mediation to whatnot, or embracing.

Shari Joseph: Next chapter or a combination of any of those. With that, we wanted to make sure we did expand the content so that we had resources, no matter the phase that they’re joining. And I like to say it’s like the sum of all our different stories coming together or helping to inform the content, help one another.

Shari Joseph: Help with a vibrant community that’s surrounding us and my next chapter because in addition to their resources and support with articles and videos, there’s vibrant community asking tons of [00:04:00] great questions and sharing stories and insights that are really helping one another. We love that. 

Kate Anthony: I love that you guys are this like kind of a powerhouse team here.

Kate Anthony: You guys have moved this so swiftly and created something so really robust. Super robust, and I think it’s, I think it’s just amazing. 

Shari Joseph: Yeah. People are just, they’re craving that clarity and validation much more than advice too. They wanna understand what’s normal. They’re not failing, just because it’s hard and that.

Shari Joseph: They’re not alone in this. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And I think just to Shari’s point on the community, it’s also because we’ve been getting so many questions and input from the community. It’s allowed us to evolve our content and platform based on that input. I think it’s a good moment where. I think a lot of people are thinking about making changes into their, in their lives and transitioning and focusing on what they need to do to be happy, and they don’t wanna rush into those that they don’t wanna [00:05:00] make.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: They wanna make these big decisions very carefully and learn, and we really try to cover everything, all the legal basics and emotional patterns and things that they can expect. 

Kate Anthony: You mentioned that one of the things that. People come to you about a lot. They’re coming to My Next Chapter, which is a divorce support platform ultimately.

Kate Anthony: But they’re still divorce curious. They’re still in that horrible in between where they’re trying to figure out whether they should stay or go. And you said that a lot of them are curious, they really wanna know about the legal and the financial, right? ‘Cause that’s it, right? It’s I need to know if my life.

Kate Anthony: On the other side am I gonna be living in a tenement, working at, am I gonna get anything? Am I, is my life gonna suck on the other side? What? What else have you learned? What have you guys learned about that space of that gray area that people are in? And how does My Next Chapter support them in that?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: first of all, it’s a lot of people that are in this state of sort of marital [00:07:00] uncertainty, should they stay or go? And there are a lot of questions. They know they’re not happy in the relationship, but they have a lot of fears. How’s it gonna impact their children? Are they gonna be able to survive financially, as you mentioned?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And what we really encourage is people to, you don’t have to make a decision right away or today. It’s just taking the step to get curious. To learn about what it might mean to become financially independent. We have a lot of tools in My Next Chapter around, can I afford divorce? What would that look like?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: What are alternative living situations like? How does the current financial climate impact that? We also talk a lot about kids and the impact of divorce on kids at different ages. A lot of people feel like they should stay for the kids, but actually a lot of research shows that it’s even sometimes harder for teens or kid kids in their twenties when their parents get divorced.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Really having them understand like, what is it? What are your fears and how can we help them? How can we help you break it down? Separate the fear from actually the clarity or what the reality is to ask them. Like for those really those people who are really in limbo, like if nothing changed, how would it feel for you a year from now?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: What would that look [00:08:00] like? I actually just had a call today with a member talking specifically about that. She’s not ready yet, but she wants to get prepared. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And so we’re helping a lot of our members do that. 

Kate Anthony: How do you help people prepare? In that way. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: So of course, in addition to the emotional support and being able to stay in a situation where it might be high conflict or you might feel uncertain and uneasy, like how to just stay, keep yourself centered emotionally, how to keep yourself centered around your kids, and then we have a lot of information on what you would need and what you should gather before you go to an attorney, before you go to a financial advisor.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: What you should think about before you broach the topic of divorce. And we have our like divorce prep, survival guide. We have our financial checklist, our legal checklist. Those are some of the most popular pieces of content on the platform. Just for this reason. People are like, wait, what do I actually need to get and know before I even get before getting divorced?

Kate Anthony: Yes, 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: knowledge is power. 

Kate Anthony: That’s what I always say. They’re so uncertain and they’re so scared. The only way to get through that is to [00:09:00] get the information. 

Shari Joseph: Yeah. We also had introduced our premium membership in which you helped us to bring it to life truly, and found that while we have all these great resources and community.

Shari Joseph: Sometimes people just need a little bit of help to get unstuck to, be guided exactly what resources would be most helpful to them at that moment. So they are matched with a coach trained by Kate Anthony, it’s been super helpful because talking to someone today and the path that they’re, the journey that they’re in now.

Shari Joseph: They’re in a state where they have to be separated for a year before they can actually start the divorce process, the filing process, which can be so frustrating. We’re talking through, they’re at the point of putting a separation agreement together. We’re like, oh, okay, great. I have checklists for you. You have to really think about the assets that you [00:10:00] have.

Shari Joseph: Here’s, guidance. And then through their coach, they have a access to all of our experts. Our finance expert, our legal expert, our mental health expert, wellness, style, anything that may help ’em to get them unstuck at different points. So whether they’re chatting with us over a video call or texting because they need some real time support they have that through their coach.

Shari Joseph: We could guide ’em as they needed and be that source because so many just feel alone in that moment. There’s nobody else that they feel is like them in their, circle in their community and they just want that companion support companion. And, we’ve been helping to do that and we’ve been really building out that membership, that component of My Next Chapter, which came from feedback of that need.

Shari Joseph: And we wanted to make sure we could. Divorce can be really expensive. I know my bills have been wrapping [00:11:00] up, so it’s like, how can we maximize the time that they’re gonna have with their attorney, provide them maybe the finance expertise that they don’t have access to, or how to get the most out of the finance experts that they are reaching out to.

Kate Anthony: Yeah, it’s the one stop shop of it all is I think priceless. Truly, because you’ve got the legal experts and the financial experts, all of which on their own would cost thousands. But then the other aspect of this is that you have this integrated emotional work. And you’ve got, mindfulness, the self-regulation stuff, naming feelings.

Kate Anthony: Which so many of us struggle with, how do I feel if fi I don’t know. It’s fucking awful. Yeah, like all of this. And what have you seen in terms of like. How does all of the emotional work, right? Because a lot of people are like, I don’t wanna deal with the emotions, I want the answers, I want the money answers, I want the legal answers.[00:13:00] 

Kate Anthony: But like when we guide them into the emotional stuff as well to help ’em through that. How have you guys seen with the platform so far how that sort of might impact the outcomes that they have? 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yeah, I think Shari brought it up in terms of how we’ve evolved our platform and our. Offering to now include this premium membership because we did hear from members that they’re looking really for that more personalized support.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And I think people, and Kate, I know you’ve experienced this in your work and you’ve shared and taught us a lot in this, that people are looking for someone neutral to talk to, right? Like their friends are biased, their family, they all come at it with their own perspectives. And to be able to look at something with someone who’s objective from a situ, is it a situation, is it a pattern?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And. What we found is that some people come in and they’re like, I want that legal, I want that finance. But then they wind up talking about their husband or their ex and some of the emotional patterns and what that might mean and how they can regulate. And we really we found that. I had mentioned [00:14:00] finance earlier, but in addition to that, our Dr.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Mariana, who I know has also been on here or will be on here, talks about a lot about managing emotions, the harder emotions and then also leaning into the positive emotions. And we talked about this last time we’re together, but like entertaining those two things at once. And her videos on that and her tools on the emotions worksheet are also extremely popular on the platform and people who download that.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: The legal checklist at the same time. Yes. So it’s like it’s having that, it’s let me center myself and then dig in. And one can’t really exist. You can do one without the other, but you won’t get the most of it. 

Shari Joseph: And we found that if they’re using these tools that we have, and whether it’s their coach or the tools we have on the platform, that they’re able to communicate better.

Shari Joseph: With their lawyers be a better co-parent if there are kids involved, even communicate better with their ex, which often means that there could be faster and calmer outcomes which is key. ’cause even it could feel like you’re just in it. And in an uncomfortable stage for far longer than you wanna be.

Shari Joseph: [00:15:00] The more that we can help ’em communicate better, it will help them feel like, okay, there’s progress. And progress means something different for everybody. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And just pausing and not like being triggered to respond, whether it’s live or via text. And using some of these tools, as Sherry said, is that can change the game.

Kate Anthony: And I always say we’re making the biggest legal and financial decisions of our entire lives in the middle of the biggest emotional upheaval of our entire lives. And it’s a terrible combination. So if we focus first on like settling that emotional. Dysregulation. We’re gonna get a lot further in working through that.

Kate Anthony: Other, the other aspects, The financial and the legal. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yeah. And making clear decisions like getting the, all the noise away. Yeah, 

Kate Anthony: exactly. Exactly. Shari, I am curious because I know that you have been navigating your own high conflict divorce in while you have been building this platform. Have you found any impact on your own [00:16:00] experience as you’ve been going through this?

Kate Anthony: Have you learned stuff as you’ve been building this platform that you’ve been then taken and utilized in your own divorce, and how’s it all going? 

Shari Joseph: Absolutely. How’s it going? It can be a loaded question. But absolutely. It’s personal to me. Everything that we’re doing. The resources. It’s like they’re tried and tested, I am the living reality that so many other members can relate to.

Shari Joseph: And especially as it relates to, as you said, high conflict, divorces, high conflict requires a different type of approach and how you’re navigating those relationships and communicating. It’s like you can’t reason with chaos. You need strategy and you need self protection and the tools that we have help do exactly that.

Shari Joseph: I’m protecting my sanity. It’s making me a better person in divorce, but I also feel like it’s making me a better person in life. It’s how I’m managing [00:17:00] all relationships too. 

Kate Anthony: Yeah, you get like divorces is like boundaries bootcamp, and certainly high conflict, right? You can’t implement those boundaries in one area of your life and then not in others.

Kate Anthony: You can, but the longer you do that, the more out of alignment everything feels right and you start to realize alright, that relationship actually mirrors my relationship with my ex and what am I doing? Because the same, often the same. Pick or pick those people at the same time.

Shari Joseph: Absolutely. I was like, co-parenting, how are you gonna co-parent with someone that is so high conflict? And then I’m like, oh wait, there’s parallel parenting and that’s slightly different and focus on what you can control. And I mean that just creating boundaries. So many of us, in all aspects of our lives have trouble just creating boundaries.

Shari Joseph: So I really needed support and help there. Even being in it yesterday, I was in an intensive settlement conference which. Has been a theme throughout. [00:18:00] And at Tamara, I don’t know if I told you this, but I had a phone, a friend, and my phone a friend was our finance expert because all of a sudden it came up about wait, if we, the power of negotiation and if I traded a little bit of this for some of this, and this is like the last minute, final stages of.

Shari Joseph: The divorce and I’m like, am I thinking of this in the right way? Am I missing anything? And just having that advice and support was so helpful. So that’s what we’re trying to do for people with the coaching aspect of that personalized. So I was, I had my own coaching going on with that. Jamie probably really liked that.

Shari Joseph: Oh, it was perfect. It helped so much. Jamie is a certified divorce financial analyst. The resources he has provided on the site. To have at the, your fingertips helps to make sure that everything is fair and equitable. And I’ve learned that Fair and equitable does not necessarily mean just 50 50.

Shari Joseph: That was a very big learning. So we try to share our own experiences and insights, and also even [00:20:00] this experiences of our members, if somebody shares. Something in the community or within one of the coaching sessions that, maybe we don’t have an exact article on yet, or we don’t have a resource that just wait, like that insight, like we’re, we got you, with the help of our experts that, new article or that video or that response in the community is then there waiting for them.

Shari Joseph: It’s been a very high touch because we need it. Like being in it while co-creating this with Tamara and has been such a therapy for me, it’s, I could be so drowning in every aspect, and when Tamara and I were talking about this, I’m like, God, it just brings me life. It’s so true. It’s just like how critical the nervous system regulation really is.

Shari Joseph: You cannot make a rational decision. When you’re flooded with fear. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I’m always like, Shari will update me. I’m like, breathe. And then can you write that down for an article? Because that’s really good after you breathe and get over that. 

Kate Anthony: My entire business has been built on like start, started off with what did I need to know and [00:21:00] learn, as I was going through it and and now.

Kate Anthony: My content is always informed by what my clients bring to me. Yeah. I’m like, oh yeah, I need to run, do to do a video on that, or I need to do a episode on that. A hundred percent. Absolutely. And so much of it is the psycho-emotional, like it just is. 

Kate Anthony: You were just talking a little bit about the community aspect of this. Shari and Tamara, you were saying too that like we are, so when we’re going through this. First of all, we feel so alone and we feel like we’re the only one that’s ever experienced X, Y, or Z. The benefit that we have sitting in our chairs is that we hear everybody’s stories and you realize like everybody’s going through the exact same thing.

Kate Anthony: And so the idea of having this community where everyone can see, like they can actually talk to each other and be like, oh no. Oh, wow. Yeah, that’s totally a thing. They all do that. Exactly that. Like you’re [00:22:00] not, even if it’s, even if it’s not. Around, something that he’s doing or she’s doing.

Kate Anthony: It’s around like something that I’m feeling. Yes. How have you found that the community’s like really thriving and showing up for each other? 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yeah, it’s definitely the, for us, the most inspiring part and we’re continuing to look. More ways to get people engaged in the community and to talk to each other.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: ’cause the, as you said, the validation and just hearing from others that they’ve been there, they know what it’s like. We have the benefit of having people like really early in the state, in the process. And then people who are later, are in the middle of it, like Shari and later like me. And so we’re coming at it from all different perspectives.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I was just like looking at something in the community today where someone was talking about how they just told their kids and then another member was like, oh my God, that was the worst day of my life. I remember that. You’re not alone. You’re gonna get over that angst. And just having that dialogue with someone who’s been there to say, I get you right now, you’re gonna be okay, is huge.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And then also we’ve been like [00:23:00] hearing from, I know gray divorce has been trending for a while, continues to ’cause people are living longer and they’re getting healthier and they’re getting more financially dependent. And we have, there’s definitely a group that’s we I’m like, I was married for 30 years and now I know I don’t have my person anymore.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: The person that’s gave me my identity anymore, what do I do? And then other people chime in to say yeah, I was there, I’ve been there. I’m taking this little step or that and just the conversation in itself is just motivating and compassionate and nonjudgmental. ’cause like we’ve all been there.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Sometimes when you’re like trying to relate to others in your life who haven’t been there or think they know, it’s yeah, you just don’t get it. So that part’s huge. 

Kate Anthony: Never take advice, divorce advice from someone who has never been divorced. Or if they have, they didn’t have the kind of divorce that you wanted. Right. That you want to have. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Exactly. But they love to give it though. Especially if they’re married, then they know all about divorce. Everybody thinks that they 

Kate Anthony: Oh, absolutely. And they know all about dating too and how you should be doing that. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Oh yes. Oh yeah exactly.[00:24:00] 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: We’re in this divorce club guys. 

Kate Anthony: Don’t you love it when someone who’s been married for 20 or 30 years, like dolls out advice on how you should be dating and navigating the dating landscape these days? Oh yeah. Like thanks a lot. Oh, absolutely. I’ll just, I’ll talk to Alyssa and Jenny.

Kate Anthony: Exactly. Alyssa Deneen and Jenny Young. Those are your people ladies. I, my, my audience knows this ’cause I, 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: yes. They’ve been on here and Alyssa’s incredible. She’s our dating expert on My Next Chapter and I think she went on 200 dates before she found her person. So talk about as someone who knows, and she was in a high conflict relationship and had a tricky divorce.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: So she’s, yep. She gets it. 

Kate Anthony: She gets it. She does. She does. And just like little bragging rights is that Shari and Alyssa were both in my community years and years ago in my my, my ill-fated Facebook group, but when they were very 

Shari Joseph: helpful, brought us together. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And you got some good, [00:25:00] and it might have been ill-fated, but we got some great learnings from it thanks to Kate from you and your input a hundred percent what to do, what not to do, 

Kate Anthony: Right. Exactly. I was able to pass on some okay, here are the pitfalls of running a large community. Yeah. Be careful. Yep. That’s true. Tamara you’re the like the queen bee of The Next Chapter. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I’m trying over here you are. I’m like, ah. Some days I am, some days I’m not. 

Kate Anthony: Listen, I get it, I get it. What does designing, like, there’s an intentionality when you talk about designing your next chapter, right?

Kate Anthony: There’s like, when you put it in terms of design, yeah. There really is an intentionality around it. So what does that mean for you in practice? In terms of yeah. How do, how have you designed your next chapter? 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: On our platform there, we have three stages of content. And one is like just getting informed and prepared.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: The other is moving forward strategically. And then the last one’s like rebuilding with intention. And for me, I. After I got divorced, I was like, okay, what now? And I think a [00:26:00] lot of people feel that. They’re like, okay, I went through this really hard thing. I still am dealing with a lot that’s difficult.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And I am, a lot of people start dating really quickly right away trying to look for the wand or try to fill the hole with things that they might not make. Not be lonely. And we really want to help people find ways to, to design sort of a new life. That sounds loaded and really big, but it actually can start really small.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Like to focus on the little things like setting. Maybe you set a big intention, but then focusing on little goals to get there. So we actually have a goal setting worksheet that grounds that section that’s focused on personal growth, physical health, mindfulness, social connection, finance, even finances, which is a big one, even in post-divorce.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: To really help members think holistically, what are some of the things I like to do a long time ago before I was married that I might wanna try again? What do I might wanna achieve financially? Who do I wanna meet? It doesn’t have to be a new significant other, it could be different types of people.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And how do you set sort of small, tangible [00:28:00] goals around some of these ideas? So even for me, it was like the finance part became a big deal. And for dating, my whole approach has evolved a lot. I was that person in the beginning, I was in such a hurry and I was like, wait, stop. What do I really want and how do I think about dating with intention around my kids?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And we’ve expanded some of our content and the platform around that too. So it’s really about helping people get curious about themselves and think about what they want and how they can move into that, this new phase in the best way for themselves. As I said, some days, and I sound like I have it all solved.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I don’t that’s the other thing too. It’s like once you’re divorced, especially you’re co-parenting, the challenges never go away. So how do you navigate those as well? So we really hit it all in that last phase. And I’m hoping that we have a lot of people, as I mentioned in that early stage and in the thick of it, that they continue to stay with us.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: ’cause there’s just so an opportunity for content and community there as well. 

Shari Joseph: And I think people in the thick of it. Look to people like Tamara that are in that next chapter. 

Shari Joseph: That, redesigning your space and your routines and your mindset are just [00:29:00] all part of that feeling. And if you could jump in and do that while you’re in the thick of it.

Shari Joseph: That just, it’s just brings the whole new energy and you’re really not rebuilding from scratch. You’re redesigning from experience. And that’s, it’s a big difference. 

Kate Anthony: Yeah. Yeah it is.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yeah. You talk about that a lot, Shari actually taking advantage of that later stage content, because as you said earlier, like it’s such a journey.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Like how long has your divorce now been going on? A few years, two years. Two years. So it’s like you can’t get, some, sometimes you, if you get, if you stay stuck in that mode too, then it’s tricky. And it’s an opportunity even while you’re in it, to start to think about things. 

Shari Joseph: And that’s just two years in the system, like in the court system.

Shari Joseph: It starts before that as a lot of people in the divorce, curious stage, definitely know. 

Kate Anthony: Yeah, absolutely. Did you find that the work that you did in your divorce, curious stage had any impact on once the bomb was dropped and it started rolling down the hill as it were? 

Shari Joseph: For me [00:30:00] definitely, because I like the scripts.

Shari Joseph: I was really nervous about like, how are we going to tell the kids. I was nervous about really how to, in my situation, I was the one that was prompting the divorce. And so it was like, I knew this was gonna happen and I was preparing and I was like, how was I gonna tell him so that he could really retain that this was gonna be happening.

Shari Joseph: And then the scripts of like, how to tell your kids. Are just was everything for me because I was just really scared and I’ll never forget that moment and that day was one of the hardest days of my life and those that told me, your kids will be fine. I didn’t believe that until after I could actually see it.

Shari Joseph: So like we can tell everybody that don’t worry. Like that hard moment, like it’s a hard and you’ll rip the bandaid, but like you will be okay and your kids will be okay. And now, while I’m still in it, I see that clearly and just. Having that script, truly that script that I memorized, I even [00:31:00] had a cheat sheet that like I had on my phone and I put it in the notes and then if they asked me these kind of questions, these were my talking points.

Shari Joseph: So as they were talking to me I was like glancing at my cheat sheet. Like it helps. We needed that. So much help in the curious stage You plan and be like intentional and in a journey that can have be a rollercoaster at times and surprise you with those twists and turns. We do have stuff that’ll help you prepare in the best way possible.

Shari Joseph: Someone within our community has been there before, if not many. Yes, exactly. 

Kate Anthony: Absolutely. What’s next for My Next Chapter? You’ve started, it started out as a free community. Now there is this the paid premium version? Yeah. Where you get access one-on-one connection with a coach and all the other experts.

Kate Anthony: How is that expansion going so far, and like where do you see this going in the future?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: A, as you said, we started with as a free platform and we continue to be, [00:32:00] that’s really important to us. Our core membership is free. We want people to get in there and be able to use a lot of the basic resources and know that it’s vetted and expert driven and people get stuck in these holes on Chat GPT and the web and not knowing what’s right and what’s not.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: This is go to mynextchapter.com, join Core for free. You can get. The content on there and a lot more in terms of just personal examples, clinical examples. So that’s out there. And then as you said, we have this premium membership that we work Kate with you on, which has been huge in terms of allowing us to not only offer the resource basic resources or essential resources that we offer in My Next Chapter, but also more personalized support.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And we intend to grow that. As well. And we’re looking to work, continue to work with others, different companies and partners and organizations that can allow us to reach more people. Both with our core membership as well as our premium membership. Definitely growing demand for a lot of different areas that we’re focused on.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: We had mentioned finance building out more in that category a lot around sort of identity and [00:33:00] confidence and people who are in later stage, later stages of life and getting divorced. How can we serve them? And really at the end of the day, we just wanna continue to stay focused in on our values and being the most trusted source out there for anything.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Everything related to anything for marital uncertainty all the way through post divorce. So we can help more people. We wanna help as many people as possible in this life transition. And so we’re continuing to evolve with that mentality and always looking to bring in others that can help expand our knowledge and expertise like you.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: That’s where we are. We’re excited. We’re just at the beginning. At the moment.

Kate Anthony: I’m excited to be a part of it. And one of the things that I think it’s really important to know that like the premium offer, the premium option that is, has the one-on-one coaching and access to all of the legal and financial experts.

Kate Anthony: It’s $99 a month. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: I know. It’s crazy. 

Kate Anthony: because. We all love a good code that I [00:35:00] have a 30% off the first month code if you sign up with, for the premium using the code. DSG, the first month is $69, so the amount of content, the amount of access and all of that is it’s pretty spectacular for that price. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yeah. Our members, the member I spoke to today was like, I cannot believe this. I’ve been waiting for this. Then it’s, we have that mindset of help, wanting to help as many people as we can, and this is the time I think to participate and get in and join as we grow.

Kate Anthony: Yea, really guys. Get it on the ground floor. I too want people to have access to this work. I want as many people as possible to have access to this work. And, working with me one-on-one is not accessible to everybody. 

Shari Joseph: And I think the price is like 15 minutes with my lawyer. 

Kate Anthony: Yeah exactly. Oh, if that Shari, maybe five.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And it’s gonna say and it’s gonna save you not only the 15 minutes of the price, but it’s gonna save you hours and hours of cost. So. 

Kate Anthony: Hours and hours and hours. Yeah. [00:36:00] Yes. Divorce coaching at its base is, with a good divorce coach is going to save you so much money.

Kate Anthony: Like it doesn’t it doesn’t matter. Women who work with me have said I’ve saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars, not just on the legal fees, but on the things that they knew to ask for that they didn’t know to ask for before. So these are, this is real. Yeah, this is real. And for 99 bucks a month.

Kate Anthony: Cannot be beat. 

Shari Joseph: It’s just such an emotional time too, and I find if you don’t have the resources and community, then you may use your lawyer as your therapist, and they don’t need all that detail. They don’t need all that information. They don’t. How can we help you be prepared.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: and why not go into that first session with your attorney with what you need?

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: And then you don’t need to have two other sessions doing that same thing. That’s right. There are lots of ways that we can help people. 

Kate Anthony: Yep. Is there anything else that you guys wanna share with our audience? I think you, we got it. I love [00:37:00] this chat. Kate. I love chatting with you, the two of you guys. I know.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Fun. It’s so fun. I know. 

Kate Anthony: It is great. I love it.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Maybe we’ll come back with some members’ stories. That would be cool.

Kate Anthony: Yeah. I love this platform. I am honored to be a part of it and, really grateful that you guys have, shared it with me and brought me into it. And I love Mariana. We had the best, we had the best time on the show.

Kate Anthony: We were like, when we hung up, when we like hit, when we hit, when I stopped recording we were like, oh my God, I love you. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: She’s our mental health expert by the way. And Mariana and Kate tag teamed on all the emotional and mental health support in the premium program. So Yeah. Yeah. We have quite the duo there for that.

Kate Anthony: Quite the team.

Shari Joseph: Absolutely. So good. And for those that know about My Next Chapter too, we’re. Constantly adding new tools, new resources. There’s live virtual events all the time. New expert content. So it’s something you wanna, keep coming back [00:39:00] to. And for those that are not yet familiar, haven’t checked us out yet, definitely engage early.

Shari Joseph: ’cause the more that we could, resources and tools that we can give you the earlier reach out for support, the better it could shape your outcome. So help it so you’re not reacting to it. 

Kate Anthony: Yep. And it’s just mynextchapter.com, right? 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Yep, mynextchapter.com. That’s it. 

Kate Anthony: All right, Tamara and Shari, thank you so much for being here.

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: Thank you Kate. 

Kate Anthony:Adore you guys. 

Tamara Frankfort Odinec: We love you, you’re the best.

Shari Joseph: Same. Thank you. Bye.

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